by jimwalton » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:30 am
O contraire, mon frère. We didn’t just brush it under the carpet, but had man exchanges about Satan? Remember this?
"The Old Testament doesn’t say much about him. We don’t get to find out where he came from, how he got the way he is, or much of anything, really. We know that God created everything good, so God created him, but he must have been good at the time. Whatever happened to him to make him the way he is was his own doing, not God’s.
In the Old Testament, Satan is described mostly as an adversary who opposes goodness and God-ness, but he is also pictured as a being whose actions are under God’s rule. He can only function within the walls of what God allows him to do, though he acts with his own free will. In other words, God doesn’t make him do the things he does; he does them on his own.
In the New Testament, we learn much more about him. He is a spiritual being who is a powerful enemy to Jesus, working against him at every turn, tempting him and opposing him. But he knows well who Jesus is, and fears Jesus. His power is no match for Jesus’ power. Demons possess people and cause them to act weirdly. Jesus has complete power over them. Satan seeks to lead people astray, to deceive people with things that seem to be true but aren’t, and to destroy Christians. He also seems to have some power over what we would call natural phenomena, and can possibly affect things like the weather, and he can make people sick.
By the time we get to the book of Revelation we find out that Satan has been at work all along resisting God, deceiving people, destroying things, and will ultimately make a play to overthrow God and take possession of God’s throne. He doesn’t have such power, and God easily conquers him once and for all and sends him to and eternal destiny of fiery torment.
You want me to convince you of these things. The only occasional actual evidence we ever see of this stuff is in demon possession of people. Other than that, we know there is plenty of evil and suffering in the world, and lots of people believing lies about spiritual things. It’s probably safe to say we are all horrified by the capability of human beings to do terrible things. Some of these terrible things come from the wickedness of our own hearts, but the Bible says that some of it can come from Satan. There’s no proof of that (no one ever sees Satan), but it’s an interpretation people make based on what they believe about God and the Bible.”
But on to some of your questions and statements.
Actually, we didn’t tell our children lies about Santa. We told them from the beginning it was all just pretend.
And Santa is not an anagram for Satan. The words developed separately with nothing to do with each other. “Satan” comes from the Greek word “satana,” meaning “accuser.” “Santa” comes from a version of Latin for “Saint,” as in St. Peter. Completely different roots and etymologies.
You’re right that it’s not possible for Satan to be in every country at the same time. Satan is not omnipresent; only God is omnipresent. Satan can only be in one place at any one given time, just like us, or just like any angel or cherubim. So you see, I am not preaching all these things you falsely accuse me of.
Let’s look at the temptation story. You claim it was the Pharisees who take Jesus up the mountain. Matthew 4.8, there is nothing in the context to associate the action with the Pharisees. So also Mark 1.13 and Luke 4.5. You’ll need to explain what you are claiming.
Genesis 3 never associates the serpent with Satan. That association doesn’t come until the New Testament. There is no claim in Genesis that the serpent is Satan, and I have never said any different than that.
Most of the sin that we commit doesn’t have its source in Satan, but in the desires that come out of our sinful hearts (James 1.14). Satan and demons are at work in the world, but most of the time we sin all by ourselves because it’s our nature. Satan doesn’t need to get involved. We tempt ourselves. Satan can only be in one place at one time anyway.
Contrary to what you have said, Paul does talk about Satan in Romans 16.20, 2 Corinthians 2.11 and 11.14; 1 Thes. 2.18; 2 Thes. 2.9, and other places.
Peter also mentions him in 1 Pet. 5.8, calling him the devil.
“Jesus means one who saves the world. Humans don’t make him savior of the world. He is the savior of the world. Belief doesn’t add to it. Unbelief doesn’t annul it.” I agree 100%.
And I don’t pray against Satan. I don’t think that’s biblical.
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