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[Cadet]

this is called an argument from silence, i go over this in detail on my original post.

the problem here is Jesus said no one knows the son but the father.

he literally discludes everyone else.

if he said, the father knows the son, and the son knows the father THEN you could say well that doesn't mean the holy spirit, but he said no one knows the son except the father, and no one knows the father except the son, and whom the son chooses to reveal him to...

[jimwalton]

> this is called an argument from silence, i go over this in detail on my OP.

It is not. I gave you contextual reasons. I reviewed the Greek terminology in agreement with you, for the most part. I discussed Matthew's theme in the Gospel. I compared it to similar teachings in the Gospel of John. And you agreed with 99& of my post. So how can you claim I made an argument from silence?? That just baffles me.

> the problem here is Jesus said no one knows the son but the father.

That's not a problem in the least. I spent about 6 paragraphs explaining it, and you agreed with me (99%).

> he literally discludes everyone else.

He does not. This must be the 1%, eh? All he is declaring is that he has equality with the Father. The text is about Jesus' identity. The "knowledge" pertains to his authority. We've been over this ground, several times.

In other words, you reject all of what I've said and hang onto "Jesus said no one knows the son but the father," without probing into what he meant by it.

[Cadet]

you defined "knows" as being equal to.

I am not playing semantics at this point - whether you want to believe he is talking about knowledge, being equal to God, it doesn't matter - it all comes to the same conclusion - What matters is he said No One But (the father) is included.

and yes the example you gave is called an argument from silence, you were accusing me of using an argument of silence, that IS what it is called. But it cannot apply to this situation because Jesus said "no one but"

> its like if he said "no other TV is equal to this price on the internet" ....

its like if he said, There is "no one but" the father in whatever you want it to be, but no matter what you want it to say, it does not include the holy spirit.

[jimwalton]

> I am not playing semantics at this point

Of course you are. Semantics is what counts here. What do the words mean? In your original post you cut and pasted all sorts of semantic arguments about the meanings of the Greek words. But we know that words have to be interpreted correctly and contextually, so semantics is what this entire conversation is about.