by jimwalton » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:03 pm
Sovereignty can mean that, but the Bible portrays God's power as something he can exercise or withhold at will. He can use it more or less, all or not at all. So just because God has supreme authority and power doesn't indicate that he uses it all the time so that we are determined—we do things only by his power and always by his power, i.e., we are robots. That's not the biblical picture.
I could try to use an analogy of the U.S. We have enough nuclear power to destroy the world, probably several times over. But just because we have that power doesn't mean we use it.
So it's not so that if God has supreme power over all things, he must have determined all things. God can work it so that his power does not run roughshod over our exercise of free will.
> Otherwise, there would be things that existed outside His power, therefore making his power non-supreme, therefore stripping Him of His sovereignty.
Yes, things do operate outside of his power, but they are still under his umbrella of authority. There are many things God does not control, and the Bible says so. The Bible says God doesn't tempt anyone. It says God doesn't do evil. And since people are tempted, and some people are evil, that means God allows them to operate as free agents. But that doesn't strip God of his sovereignty. In His kingdom, he allows rogue elements to function as they will. But they're still in his kingdom.
> it just limits our will to the boundaries of God's will
I don't think so. Our wills are limited only by the potential of human initiative. Obviously we can't will ourselves to fly like Superman or to stop a locomotive with our hands. These are not boundaries God imposes but rather are imposed by our physical limitations. According to the Bible, God doesn't place limits on our free wills. He cannot and does not interfere with them. If he wants us to come to him, he can only reveal himself, invite us, speak to us, appear to us, but we have to decide. If he wants us to obey him, he can only instruct us, but we have to choose to obey.
Sovereignty can mean that, but the Bible portrays God's power as something he can exercise or withhold at will. He can use it more or less, all or not at all. So just because God has supreme authority and power doesn't indicate that he uses it all the time so that we are determined—we do things only by his power and always by his power, i.e., we are robots. That's not the biblical picture.
I could try to use an analogy of the U.S. We have enough nuclear power to destroy the world, probably several times over. But just because we have that power doesn't mean we use it.
So it's not so that if God has supreme power over all things, he must have determined all things. God can work it so that his power does not run roughshod over our exercise of free will.
> Otherwise, there would be things that existed outside His power, therefore making his power non-supreme, therefore stripping Him of His sovereignty.
Yes, things do operate outside of his power, but they are still under his umbrella of authority. There are many things God does not control, and the Bible says so. The Bible says God doesn't tempt anyone. It says God doesn't do evil. And since people are tempted, and some people are evil, that means God allows them to operate as free agents. But that doesn't strip God of his sovereignty. In His kingdom, he allows rogue elements to function as they will. But they're still in his kingdom.
> it just limits our will to the boundaries of God's will
I don't think so. Our wills are limited only by the potential of human initiative. Obviously we can't will ourselves to fly like Superman or to stop a locomotive with our hands. These are not boundaries God imposes but rather are imposed by our physical limitations. According to the Bible, God doesn't place limits on our free wills. He cannot and does not interfere with them. If he wants us to come to him, he can only reveal himself, invite us, speak to us, appear to us, but we have to decide. If he wants us to obey him, he can only instruct us, but we have to choose to obey.