by jimwalton » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:06 pm
There are so many things wrong with this analysis and perceptions, it's hard to know where to begin.
1. Arrogance. Source? Text? Arrogance is different from confidence. Knowing He was God, I would expect Him to be confident in that knowledge. Being arrogant, however, is an obnoxious, offensive display of self-importance and an overbearing pride. You'll have to show the text where this is so.
2. Disrespectful to mother and brothers and his disciples. To which text are you referring? For instance, in Mark 3.33, he is neither disrespecting them or deprecating their relationship, but rather using a teachable moment to make a point about discipleship, positions, and priorities. He is dissociating himself from their authority. He is starting a new divine family not based in biology. What matters is God's will and God's kingdom, not your lineage—a very important message for his Jewish audience. His treatment of his mother with tenderness at the cross is an illustration of his respect for her. And as to the "sending Joseph to hell according to the Scripture," that's a downright laughable falsehood. Text for that? I think it was you who raised this a few weeks ago and discovered there was no truth to it. I'm surprised you're still hanging on to a proven lie.
3. Drowned pigs. Jesus didn't drown the pigs, the demons did. They were in control at the time of the drowning. The fig tree wasn't producing fruit, remember? He was not leaving their owners without food.
4. Cursing of cities. Matthew 11.21 = Luke 10.13. He denounced them for rebelling against the obvious. Their judgment would come later, however. Right now he's just telling them the truth about the consequences of their choices. You certainly can't fault Jesus for shying away from the truth. It's a warning to people to repent while there's still time.
5. "He hates everyone who don't believe in him and sends him punishments like diseases etc." There is nothing true about this, and no text that shows it. It's as false as false can be. Show me a text where Jesus is said to "hate" someone, or where he makes someone sick or diseased.
6. "He is the one who invented the idea of hell. No such idea found in NT." Well, we could start with Daniel 12.2. Or we could go to 1 Thes. 1.9 or Rev. 21.8, as you wish.
7. Slavery. Text where Jesus praised slavery? Source?
8. "Nobody chooses hell. It is god who sends us there." Everyone gets to choose whom they will serve (Dt. 30.11-20). It's up to you. John 3.16 says that the choice is ours. So also Romans 10.9-10. Jn. 1.12. If you choose against life, don't be surprised that you get death (Rev. 20.11-15).
9. "Washing hands." You're really reaching now. Washing hands before meals was a millennium-old practice of the Jewish people, instituted by God. The Jews, because of God's laws, washed before meals. There was a point in Jesus not doing this, and it had nothing to do with hygiene. The rabbis had made hand-washing a mark of righteousness. Some Jews, to be extra righteous in the eyes of God, washed between courses and after meals, too. Good hygiene, but bad theology. The real issue for Jesus is not etiquette or hygiene, but theology. They are making up ways to be worthy in God's sight and deceiving the people about how to relate to God. By Jesus refusing to wash, he's teaching them an important spiritual truth. But just so you realize: he never told them not to wash. He had nothing against washing hands before meals.
In conclusion we can say that Jesus was an example of virtue, a teacher of truth, a prophet who spoke the words of the Lord, and a person who knew the heart and mind of God.
There are so many things wrong with this analysis and perceptions, it's hard to know where to begin.
[list]1. Arrogance. Source? Text? Arrogance is different from confidence. Knowing He was God, I would expect Him to be confident in that knowledge. Being arrogant, however, is an obnoxious, offensive display of self-importance and an overbearing pride. You'll have to show the text where this is so.
2. Disrespectful to mother and brothers and his disciples. To which text are you referring? For instance, in Mark 3.33, he is neither disrespecting them or deprecating their relationship, but rather using a teachable moment to make a point about discipleship, positions, and priorities. He is dissociating himself from their authority. He is starting a new divine family not based in biology. What matters is God's will and God's kingdom, not your lineage—a very important message for his Jewish audience. His treatment of his mother with tenderness at the cross is an illustration of his respect for her. And as to the "sending Joseph to hell according to the Scripture," that's a downright laughable falsehood. Text for that? I think it was you who raised this a few weeks ago and discovered there was no truth to it. I'm surprised you're still hanging on to a proven lie.
3. Drowned pigs. Jesus didn't drown the pigs, the demons did. They were in control at the time of the drowning. The fig tree wasn't producing fruit, remember? He was not leaving their owners without food.
4. Cursing of cities. Matthew 11.21 = Luke 10.13. He denounced them for rebelling against the obvious. Their judgment would come later, however. Right now he's just telling them the truth about the consequences of their choices. You certainly can't fault Jesus for shying away from the truth. It's a warning to people to repent while there's still time.
5. "He hates everyone who don't believe in him and sends him punishments like diseases etc." There is nothing true about this, and no text that shows it. It's as false as false can be. Show me a text where Jesus is said to "hate" someone, or where he makes someone sick or diseased.
6. "He is the one who invented the idea of hell. No such idea found in NT." Well, we could start with Daniel 12.2. Or we could go to 1 Thes. 1.9 or Rev. 21.8, as you wish.
7. Slavery. Text where Jesus praised slavery? Source?
8. "Nobody chooses hell. It is god who sends us there." Everyone gets to choose whom they will serve (Dt. 30.11-20). It's up to you. John 3.16 says that the choice is ours. So also Romans 10.9-10. Jn. 1.12. If you choose against life, don't be surprised that you get death (Rev. 20.11-15).
9. "Washing hands." You're really reaching now. Washing hands before meals was a millennium-old practice of the Jewish people, instituted by God. The Jews, because of God's laws, washed before meals. There was a point in Jesus not doing this, and it had nothing to do with hygiene. The rabbis had made hand-washing a mark of righteousness. Some Jews, to be extra righteous in the eyes of God, washed between courses and after meals, too. Good hygiene, but bad theology. The real issue for Jesus is not etiquette or hygiene, but theology. They are making up ways to be worthy in God's sight and deceiving the people about how to relate to God. By Jesus refusing to wash, he's teaching them an important spiritual truth. But just so you realize: he never told them not to wash. He had nothing against washing hands before meals. [/list]
In conclusion we can say that Jesus was an example of virtue, a teacher of truth, a prophet who spoke the words of the Lord, and a person who knew the heart and mind of God.