Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

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Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by jimwalton » Tue May 06, 2014 6:23 pm

When Jesus was on earth, one of the main behaviors he did was miracles of healing—making people whole. He healed lame people, blind, deaf, and sick. He also said that the kingdom of God was present where he was present, that the kingdom of God belonged to those who would spend eternity with him, and that the kingdom of God was what comprised eternity. In Isa. 65.19 (also Rev. 7.16-17) there is indication that in eternity there will be not be any inadequacy, deprivation, or insufficiency. What is described is an ideal state where there is no threat of loss, no anxiety of deprivation, no concern of need, no collapse of society, no draining of values, and no competition for resources. It will be a place of completeness (Jn. 10.10).

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by Low Piasa » Tue May 06, 2014 6:14 pm

"heaven is held out to us as an ideal state of completeness and wholeness"

I haven't come across this, is this supported in the Bible?

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by jimwalton » Mon May 05, 2014 5:51 pm

Great questions, but you're pushing beyond the information we're given. As much as I'd love to tell you these details, heaven is held out to us as an ideal state of completeness and wholeness, and this kind of detail is not told to us. People who claim to have had out of body experiences and to have entered heaven probably have a few answers, but I'm not convinced enough to trust those answers, intriguing as they are.

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by Low Piasa » Mon May 05, 2014 5:50 pm

So how functional of bodies will the cripples receive? How much more of a functional brain will a person with autism receive?

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by jimwalton » Mon May 05, 2014 5:32 pm

These are great questions. Never be embarrassed to ask good questions. You're asking details about which we aren't told. My point was that heaven is going to be a place of wholeness. Maybe the definition and state of wholeness is not going to be same for everyone, and that's OK. As we all know, some people with Down's Syndrome are wonderful people just the way they are. Will they be changed? Who's to say, but they'll be whole, and "perfect". The point is that an omniscient God who treats people as individuals will know exactly what the best course of action is for each individual.

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by I Shine » Mon May 05, 2014 5:28 pm

It definitely answers the part about autism, but I am slightly confused about one part. This isn't a rebuttal, but can you clarify if you mean that no ailments are going to be healed automatically, or do we just ask when we go to heaven to be healed and that's all? Thank you for the response. Sorry about not being so bright.

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by jimwalton » Thu May 01, 2014 4:56 pm

When Jesus visited a town, he didn't just waved his hand over the village and heal all the people. Why not? Because what Jesus was interested in most was the relationship. People lined up, and he talked to them one-to-one, and dealt with them as individuals. I'm sure that when an autistic person stands face-to-face with Jesus in heaven, there will be a conversation, and not just a power play. When Jesus healed people, they came to him, acknowledging a desire to be healed. That was the pattern: when a person wanted to be healed, they asked.

Interestingly enough, when Jesus approached a man about healing (who had not come to him), he asks, "Do you want to get well?" (Jn. 5.6). The same sort of thing happens in Mt. 20.32. Does that answer your question?

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by I Shine » Thu May 01, 2014 4:48 pm

Great response and good point about Jesus' body after his resurrection. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Your response answers a lot of my questions but another person brought up the point that what if someone with autism doesn't want to be fixed? Why would god say they had fault in the first place? Did he not make us perfect as we are for our purpose on earth? This may be a personal opinion question but I'm just curious for another's opinion!

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by jimwalton » Thu May 01, 2014 3:39 pm

No. Wholeness doesn't require either intelligence, superhuman strength, or omniscience. The elimination of suffering doesn't imply the advancement of all capabilities.

Re: Will cripples receive a new body in heaven?

Post by Low Piasa » Thu May 01, 2014 3:37 pm

So what is the cap of abilities? Does everyone get to be as smart and strong as the strongest/smartest person ever? Does everyone get superhuman strength and dash of omniscience?

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