by jimwalton » Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:56 pm
> This passage has nothing to do with clean and unclean animals.
Of course it doesn't. Nor is it even about the Law, but instead only about the Pharisees' additions to the Law that had become part of their tradition and therefore part of a law they tried to enforce, as you've said.
The dietary restrictions are set aside in the time of the Church. What is not clear from the text (or even from our historical records) is *exactly* when this happened. As far as we know, Jesus observed the dietary restrictions of the OT. There are many examples from the Gospels to show us that Jesus lived by the Mosaic Law, so we have no reason to question his conforming to the dietary laws as well. The question is "When did they change?"
In Acts chapter 10 there is an explicit teaching that the food laws were kaput. This event is fairly soon after the resurrection (though we're not sure of the exact date).
The Church Council of Acts 15 happened in about AD 49. There the Church leaders reinforced the message Peter had been given: the Jewish dietary laws no longer applied.
By the time we get to Mark 7.19, which was written possibly in the late 50s (though many scholars put Mark in the 60s), we find that Jesus Himself had "declared all foods 'clean'." These words are the explanation of Mark, probably from Peter himself. They are looking back at this event and now interpreting it: the food change came from Jesus Himself.
When exactly the Church came to that understanding and made that transition is tough to pin down. If we use Acts 10 as a marker, it was soon after the resurrection. But we also know that the transition was difficult for the Jewish apostles (Gal. 2.12), and it was not just easily and automatically applied. It seems to have been a gradual transition over time for the Jews, and for the Gentiles, it was OK for them not to have to live by Jewish dietary rules. But it doesn't seem that anyone was condemned for eating pork or shellfish, or not condemned for not eating it. There seems to have been quite a bit of tolerance in that regard (Rom. 14 could be an illustration of the same point on a different matter).
Joel Marcus, in his commentary on Mark, says it this way: "Mark is not saying that Jesus was claiming that all foods had always been clean, but that he was actually changing things by pronouncing that from this point forward all foods are now clean. All foods were clean from Noah until Moses, not so from Moses to Jesus, and then all clean from Jesus on."
> You may have noticed that "Thus he declared all foods clean" is in parentheses or brackets. That's because it's added text, Jesus didn't say it.
Correct. Jesus didn't say it, but Mark (and presumably Peter) did.
> this little section is a parable
The question is: What exactly is the parable? There's an event of the disciples eating, the Pharisees' accusation, and Jesus's explanation (Mk. 7.1-13). Then there's a textual break, where Jesus calls the crowds to him and gives what could be an introduction to a parable (v. 14), which SEEMS to be v. 15 (v. 16 is probably inauthentic). Then there's another textual break, where Jesus is in the house with only his disciples. I assume they're asking about the parable of v. 15, which is what Jesus quotes in vv. 18-19, at the end of which we get Mark's (Peter's) editorial.
> His disciples didn't get the message. In Acts 10 we learn that Peter, at least ten years later, still refused to eat anything common or unclean.
If I may speculate (but with reasoning), the book of Mark is FILLED with deprecating comments about the disciples—about how little they understood, how they never got anything right, how they didn't "get it," and how they failed. The only positive thing about the disciples mentioned in the ENTIRE BOOK is Peter's confession in Mk. 8.29. The book even ends with disciple failure. It's one of Mark's emphases.
Given that reality and understanding, it's very likely that they realized this later, after the resurrection, as they reflected on all the things Jesus did and taught. Jesus was actually doing it at the time, but they didn't get it (as they missed most of what Jesus was actually doing at the time).
> 1 Peter 1:14-16
Craig Keener writes, With "obedient," Peter "picks up the image of 1.3: born anew. They were no longer what they had been before, and they should obey God (cf. 1 Pet. 1.2, 22) as children obeyed their fathers." Obedience to God should characterize all we do, as Peter writes.
It's no surprise he picks up Levitical language of holiness, but he's not quoting anything about dietary instruction. He has picked up the language of v. 45 pertaining to the Exodus and God's covenant relationship with His people, or even possibly Lev. 19.2; 20.7, 26, with no relationship at all to dietary matters.
Peter has been talking about the factors that protect us through our lives so that we receive the end result: the salvation of our souls (1.9). It is our faith, enabled by God's power, that is our shield from deleterious forces (1.5). Now we see that it is our holiness, enabled by God's holiness, that protects us from evil desires. Faith is our new mindset, and the allegiance we have towards God is a result. Faith also engenders a different way to live because we understand the world differently. Holiness is the practical separation we have from all segments of the old creation: our natural, sinful selves, our sinful desires, our walk according to the things of the flesh, and even our old way of thinking. Since we are now "in the know" instead of living in ignorance of such things, we need to make complete our severance from all things that are profane (meaning unsanctified).
> Why are there unclean animals in Revelation 18?
The desert was a symbol of non-order, and the animals that occupied it were seen in the same light. This is a common OT image. Babylon conveys the sum total and symbol of pagan culture oriented against God. As such Babylon is similar to the desert: the paragon of non-order and contrary to God. Symbolically (not literally, of course) it's the specific dwelling place of demons and a haunt for impure (unclean) animals, detestable (against God's order) in God's sight. The image is that of a chaotic land inhabited only by creatures of disorder.
> You left out verse 10
Yes I did, but it's of no consequence. "The law" (our relationship with God) will become part of our beings, more than just directing our behavior. It is referring to the the indwelling of the Holy Spirit—something the ancients didn’t have.
> This passage has nothing to do with clean and unclean animals.
Of course it doesn't. Nor is it even about the Law, but instead only about the Pharisees' additions to the Law that had become part of their tradition and therefore part of a law they tried to enforce, as you've said.
The dietary restrictions are set aside in the time of the Church. What is not clear from the text (or even from our historical records) is *exactly* when this happened. As far as we know, Jesus observed the dietary restrictions of the OT. There are many examples from the Gospels to show us that Jesus lived by the Mosaic Law, so we have no reason to question his conforming to the dietary laws as well. The question is "When did they change?"
In Acts chapter 10 there is an explicit teaching that the food laws were kaput. This event is fairly soon after the resurrection (though we're not sure of the exact date).
The Church Council of Acts 15 happened in about AD 49. There the Church leaders reinforced the message Peter had been given: the Jewish dietary laws no longer applied.
By the time we get to Mark 7.19, which was written possibly in the late 50s (though many scholars put Mark in the 60s), we find that Jesus Himself had "declared all foods 'clean'." These words are the explanation of Mark, probably from Peter himself. They are looking back at this event and now interpreting it: the food change came from Jesus Himself.
When exactly the Church came to that understanding and made that transition is tough to pin down. If we use Acts 10 as a marker, it was soon after the resurrection. But we also know that the transition was difficult for the Jewish apostles (Gal. 2.12), and it was not just easily and automatically applied. It seems to have been a gradual transition over time for the Jews, and for the Gentiles, it was OK for them not to have to live by Jewish dietary rules. But it doesn't seem that anyone was condemned for eating pork or shellfish, or not condemned for not eating it. There seems to have been quite a bit of tolerance in that regard (Rom. 14 could be an illustration of the same point on a different matter).
Joel Marcus, in his commentary on Mark, says it this way: "Mark is not saying that Jesus was claiming that all foods had always been clean, but that he was actually changing things by pronouncing that from this point forward all foods are now clean. All foods were clean from Noah until Moses, not so from Moses to Jesus, and then all clean from Jesus on."
> You may have noticed that "Thus he declared all foods clean" is in parentheses or brackets. That's because it's added text, Jesus didn't say it.
Correct. Jesus didn't say it, but Mark (and presumably Peter) did.
> this little section is a parable
The question is: What exactly is the parable? There's an event of the disciples eating, the Pharisees' accusation, and Jesus's explanation (Mk. 7.1-13). Then there's a textual break, where Jesus calls the crowds to him and gives what could be an introduction to a parable (v. 14), which SEEMS to be v. 15 (v. 16 is probably inauthentic). Then there's another textual break, where Jesus is in the house with only his disciples. I assume they're asking about the parable of v. 15, which is what Jesus quotes in vv. 18-19, at the end of which we get Mark's (Peter's) editorial.
> His disciples didn't get the message. In Acts 10 we learn that Peter, at least ten years later, still refused to eat anything common or unclean.
If I may speculate (but with reasoning), the book of Mark is FILLED with deprecating comments about the disciples—about how little they understood, how they never got anything right, how they didn't "get it," and how they failed. The only positive thing about the disciples mentioned in the ENTIRE BOOK is Peter's confession in Mk. 8.29. The book even ends with disciple failure. It's one of Mark's emphases.
Given that reality and understanding, it's very likely that they realized this later, after the resurrection, as they reflected on all the things Jesus did and taught. Jesus was actually doing it at the time, but they didn't get it (as they missed most of what Jesus was actually doing at the time).
> 1 Peter 1:14-16
Craig Keener writes, With "obedient," Peter "picks up the image of 1.3: [i]born anew[/i]. They were no longer what they had been before, and they should obey God (cf. 1 Pet. 1.2, 22) as children obeyed their fathers." Obedience to God should characterize all we do, as Peter writes.
It's no surprise he picks up Levitical language of holiness, but he's not quoting anything about dietary instruction. He has picked up the language of v. 45 pertaining to the Exodus and God's covenant relationship with His people, or even possibly Lev. 19.2; 20.7, 26, with no relationship at all to dietary matters.
Peter has been talking about the factors that protect us through our lives so that we receive the end result: the salvation of our souls (1.9). It is our faith, enabled by God's power, that is our shield from deleterious forces (1.5). Now we see that it is our holiness, enabled by God's holiness, that protects us from evil desires. Faith is our new mindset, and the allegiance we have towards God is a result. Faith also engenders a different way to live because we understand the world differently. Holiness is the practical separation we have from all segments of the old creation: our natural, sinful selves, our sinful desires, our walk according to the things of the flesh, and even our old way of thinking. Since we are now "in the know" instead of living in ignorance of such things, we need to make complete our severance from all things that are profane (meaning unsanctified).
> Why are there unclean animals in Revelation 18?
The desert was a symbol of non-order, and the animals that occupied it were seen in the same light. This is a common OT image. Babylon conveys the sum total and symbol of pagan culture oriented against God. As such Babylon is similar to the desert: the paragon of non-order and contrary to God. Symbolically (not literally, of course) it's the specific dwelling place of demons and a haunt for impure (unclean) animals, detestable (against God's order) in God's sight. The image is that of a chaotic land inhabited only by creatures of disorder.
> You left out verse 10
Yes I did, but it's of no consequence. "The law" (our relationship with God) will become part of our beings, more than just directing our behavior. It is referring to the the indwelling of the Holy Spirit—something the ancients didn’t have.