by jimwalton » Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:07 pm
Hey, thanks for asking. As you've said, most people point to Matthew 22 as they address this question, but that's not really what's going on in Matthew 22, as you've observed. The goal of the Sadducees is to discredit the resurrection (Mt. 22.23), so that's what the subject is. Jesus isn't trying to teach us about marriage, He's trying to teach us about resurrection (vv. 30, 31, 33).
His only point is that angels don't procreate. The teaching is that neither will we procreate in heaven. Since angels don't experience death (as we will not experience death), procreation will not be necessary to perpetuate life. There will be no need to have babies to replace the dying population, because there will be no dying.
Back to the question at hand. The Bible is clear that this WHOLE deal (salvation) is about relationship, primarily relationship with God. But the family is a great symbol of relationship, marriage is a picture of the church and God (Eph. 5.32), the Church is God's bride, fellowship is a particularly strong mandate of being part of the Church, and our relationships with each other are pictures of our relationship with God (1 Jn. 4.12 et al.).
Therefore, it seems not only unreasonable but quite unlikely that all these relationships will disappear in Heaven, be unimportant, be null and void, and cease to exist. The idea that we won't know each other, that I will no longer be bound to my wife as I have been in the name of God for all these decades, that our marriage will be so disbanded we won't recognize each other as husband and wife seems nonsense to me. Relationships is what it's all about.
That's what I think. Any response?
> Adam and Eve were created in the garden before sin in a type of marital union
I really don't know what you mean by this, so maybe some clarification would help. "Before sin in a type of marital union"? First of all, they were created before any sin. Second, their sin had nothing to do with their marital union, or any "type." So exactly what are you saying?
> is heaven not some form of a return to the garden?
Eden is not Paradise. There is no notion that it was ever (or ever meant to be) a perfect place. Instead, Eden was sacred space, much like the Tabernacle and the Temple to come later, as well as much like the Church (1 Cor. 3.17) and our hearts as believers (1 Cor. 3.16; 6.19-20). Heaven is where the presence of God abides in His Temple (the assembly of believers both as a corporate union as well as individually). It's only a return to the Garden in the sense that God's presence will be with His people in righteousness—something that didn't happen in Eden, though that was the idea that was never realized in the first Eden.
Hey, thanks for asking. As you've said, most people point to Matthew 22 as they address this question, but that's not really what's going on in Matthew 22, as you've observed. The goal of the Sadducees is to discredit the resurrection (Mt. 22.23), so that's what the subject is. Jesus isn't trying to teach us about marriage, He's trying to teach us about resurrection (vv. 30, 31, 33).
His only point is that angels don't procreate. The teaching is that neither will we procreate in heaven. Since angels don't experience death (as we will not experience death), procreation will not be necessary to perpetuate life. There will be no need to have babies to replace the dying population, because there will be no dying.
Back to the question at hand. The Bible is clear that this WHOLE deal (salvation) is about relationship, primarily relationship with God. But the family is a great symbol of relationship, marriage is a picture of the church and God (Eph. 5.32), the Church is God's bride, fellowship is a particularly strong mandate of being part of the Church, and our relationships with each other are pictures of our relationship with God (1 Jn. 4.12 et al.).
Therefore, it seems not only unreasonable but quite unlikely that all these relationships will disappear in Heaven, be unimportant, be null and void, and cease to exist. The idea that we won't know each other, that I will no longer be bound to my wife as I have been in the name of God for all these decades, that our marriage will be so disbanded we won't recognize each other as husband and wife seems nonsense to me. Relationships is what it's all about.
That's what I think. Any response?
> Adam and Eve were created in the garden before sin in a type of marital union
I really don't know what you mean by this, so maybe some clarification would help. "Before sin in a type of marital union"? First of all, they were created before any sin. Second, their sin had nothing to do with their marital union, or any "type." So exactly what are you saying?
> is heaven not some form of a return to the garden?
Eden is not Paradise. There is no notion that it was ever (or ever meant to be) a perfect place. Instead, Eden was sacred space, much like the Tabernacle and the Temple to come later, as well as much like the Church (1 Cor. 3.17) and our hearts as believers (1 Cor. 3.16; 6.19-20). Heaven is where the presence of God abides in His Temple (the assembly of believers both as a corporate union as well as individually). It's only a return to the Garden in the sense that God's presence will be with His people in righteousness—something that didn't happen in Eden, though that was the idea that was never realized in the first Eden.