by jimwalton » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:20 pm
You know, it sounds like you have your head on straight, and I respect you for what you're saying. You're trying to think it through and do it right, which is the wise course. One of the things that you said I really like: You don't want to date him for no purpose. I agree with you that dating should be purposeful. It should have several purposes:
* to give you a chance to express your feelings towards someone in time spent, having fun, and sharing what you feel inside
* to learn how to get along with guys. Guys are very different from girls, and it's true that we really need to learn how to be with a guy or girl and have a productive relationship. (Unfortunately, some people aren't too good at the "productive relationship" part.)
* to figure out what kind of a person we want to marry. We have to figure out whether we like 'em smart, fun, godly, energetic, quiet, caring, thoughtful, risk-taking, responsible or wild. Thankfully we don't have to choose just one, but dating gives a chance to experiment, explore, and learn.
So it's true that dating has a purpose to it. Too often and too easily the purpose turns into making out with each other, but I'll gout on a limb here and say that some physical expression is part of what we have to learn, too. In the way we hold hands or put arms around, hug, or kiss, we start learning how to express ourselves and our love in physical ways. It's tough to hold responsible limits when we go down that road, but it's all part of the dating picture: expression under control. We learn to talk, to listen, to care, to love, to share feelings and thoughts, and we learn what kind of person we like to be with.
What your mom says is true: it's possible also to overthink all of this. We can get so wrapped up in analysis that we miss some of the enjoyment of just being together. Everything has its place. There is a time and a season to every purpose under heaven.
You said that sometimes your Skype conversations don't go so well. That's true in any relationship. There are ups and downs, fun and problems, good communication and misunderstanding, hurts and forgivenesses. That's more of what dating is teaching you: how to be that kind of person, and what you want the person on the other side to be like.
Now, if you feel he doesn't always act out what he's saying, well, it depends on the degree of that whether it's an issue or not. Nobody like a hypocrite, but none of us is perfect or perfectly consistent either. It's a matter of degrees, but also in what areas. If it's in important areas, then it's more important. It's something to watch.
Navy Seals is an extremely difficult and demanding life, with lots of pressure and risks. I'm sure you've thought about it, but there's a high price to pay to be in a relationship with a Seal.
You asked for my advice, so I'll give you a little, and with any hope, it's wise advice.
1. You wonder if you're hearing from God directly and accurately about the relationship. I'll tell you as straight as I can: that's so difficult it's almost impossible. Our emotions get so wrapped up, and our hearts and our minds get all aflutter, and we get confused and hurt and happy and desiring and questioning and excited and angry and... It's really thorny to hear God's voice with any accuracy through all of that. While we pray and talk to God and listen for Him (which we may not hear with clarity), a good course is that of wisdom: Keep your head on straight, pursue God's best, be the kind of person you want to be and that God wants you to be, enjoy the relationship, don't let your love be blind, and learn to love somebody else. As your are faithful, God will be faithful, even if you don't hear his direct voice about the relationship.
2. Don't expect him to give you what Jesus does, and don't think that Jesus will necessarily fill that place for you. Our relationship with God is different from our relationship with people. Adam was in the Garden of Eden with God, and walked with God, but God still said, "Hm, this isn't good for him to be alone." Wait a minute—I thought it was he and God, tight with each other. It was, but there was still a place for a human relationship that was different than what he had with God. And when God gave Eve to him, he said, "Now we're talking." It wasn't that God wasn't good enough. So my advice is don't think that God can fill all of what you need from another person, or that another person can fill all of what you need from God. Give to humans what belongs to humans, and to God what belongs to God.
3. Relationships govern our spiritual lives as much as our spiritual lives govern our relationships. We tend to become like the persons we hang out with, and so a dating relationship is formative and influential. Choose wisely, because he can drag you down or build you up, and you can drag him down or build him up. Pick a dating partner that builds you, and that you can build into. It has to go both ways, or somebody's losing out.
4. Lust is a tyrant. People's spiritual lives can be easily undone by the demands of lust. It doesn't mean we can't express ourselves physically, but it's very difficult to stop, to control, and it's almost impossible to go backwards. Always be vigilant and responsible...and godly.
5. Last thing, then I'll let you go. Just like the rest of life, our earthly relationships are about Jesus. Ephesians 5.21-33 are very clear about that, but there are other Scriptures too. Our relationships should reflect Him. Treat him in a godly way, and expect to be treated in a godly way. Serve him in love (Eph. 5.22-24), and expect him to serve you in love (Eph. 5.25-30). Act with integrity. If it's not a relationship that makes you a better person, where you feel free, and you can be vulnerable but safe, where you can make him a better person, and where God is at the center of it all, then it's not for you.
It's a fantastic thing to find a relationship that does all these things. Not everyone finds it. But you can try, and you can seek it, because many do. After all, you want the best marriage EVER, and the way to prepare for that is during your dating years.
I'll be glad to talk to you more about this as you wish. Maybe I've given you enough to now. I'll let you decide.
You know, it sounds like you have your head on straight, and I respect you for what you're saying. You're trying to think it through and do it right, which is the wise course. One of the things that you said I really like: You don't want to date him for no purpose. I agree with you that dating should be purposeful. It should have several purposes:
* to give you a chance to express your feelings towards someone in time spent, having fun, and sharing what you feel inside
* to learn how to get along with guys. Guys are very different from girls, and it's true that we really need to learn how to be with a guy or girl and have a productive relationship. (Unfortunately, some people aren't too good at the "productive relationship" part.)
* to figure out what kind of a person we want to marry. We have to figure out whether we like 'em smart, fun, godly, energetic, quiet, caring, thoughtful, risk-taking, responsible or wild. Thankfully we don't have to choose just one, but dating gives a chance to experiment, explore, and learn.
So it's true that dating has a purpose to it. Too often and too easily the purpose turns into making out with each other, but I'll gout on a limb here and say that some physical expression is part of what we have to learn, too. In the way we hold hands or put arms around, hug, or kiss, we start learning how to express ourselves and our love in physical ways. It's tough to hold responsible limits when we go down that road, but it's all part of the dating picture: expression under control. We learn to talk, to listen, to care, to love, to share feelings and thoughts, and we learn what kind of person we like to be with.
What your mom says is true: it's possible also to overthink all of this. We can get so wrapped up in analysis that we miss some of the enjoyment of just being together. Everything has its place. There is a time and a season to every purpose under heaven.
You said that sometimes your Skype conversations don't go so well. That's true in any relationship. There are ups and downs, fun and problems, good communication and misunderstanding, hurts and forgivenesses. That's more of what dating is teaching you: how to be that kind of person, and what you want the person on the other side to be like.
Now, if you feel he doesn't always act out what he's saying, well, it depends on the degree of that whether it's an issue or not. Nobody like a hypocrite, but none of us is perfect or perfectly consistent either. It's a matter of degrees, but also in what areas. If it's in important areas, then it's more important. It's something to watch.
Navy Seals is an extremely difficult and demanding life, with lots of pressure and risks. I'm sure you've thought about it, but there's a high price to pay to be in a relationship with a Seal.
You asked for my advice, so I'll give you a little, and with any hope, it's wise advice.
1. You wonder if you're hearing from God directly and accurately about the relationship. I'll tell you as straight as I can: that's so difficult it's almost impossible. Our emotions get so wrapped up, and our hearts and our minds get all aflutter, and we get confused and hurt and happy and desiring and questioning and excited and angry and... It's really thorny to hear God's voice with any accuracy through all of that. While we pray and talk to God and listen for Him (which we may not hear with clarity), a good course is that of wisdom: Keep your head on straight, pursue God's best, be the kind of person you want to be and that God wants you to be, enjoy the relationship, don't let your love be blind, and learn to love somebody else. As your are faithful, God will be faithful, even if you don't hear his direct voice about the relationship.
2. Don't expect him to give you what Jesus does, and don't think that Jesus will necessarily fill that place for you. Our relationship with God is different from our relationship with people. Adam was in the Garden of Eden with God, and walked with God, but God still said, "Hm, this isn't good for him to be alone." Wait a minute—I thought it was he and God, tight with each other. It was, but there was still a place for a human relationship that was different than what he had with God. And when God gave Eve to him, he said, "Now we're talking." It wasn't that God wasn't good enough. So my advice is don't think that God can fill all of what you need from another person, or that another person can fill all of what you need from God. Give to humans what belongs to humans, and to God what belongs to God.
3. Relationships govern our spiritual lives as much as our spiritual lives govern our relationships. We tend to become like the persons we hang out with, and so a dating relationship is formative and influential. Choose wisely, because he can drag you down or build you up, and you can drag him down or build him up. Pick a dating partner that builds you, and that you can build into. It has to go both ways, or somebody's losing out.
4. Lust is a tyrant. People's spiritual lives can be easily undone by the demands of lust. It doesn't mean we can't express ourselves physically, but it's very difficult to stop, to control, and it's almost impossible to go backwards. Always be vigilant and responsible...and godly.
5. Last thing, then I'll let you go. Just like the rest of life, our earthly relationships are about Jesus. Ephesians 5.21-33 are very clear about that, but there are other Scriptures too. Our relationships should reflect Him. Treat him in a godly way, and expect to be treated in a godly way. Serve him in love (Eph. 5.22-24), and expect him to serve you in love (Eph. 5.25-30). Act with integrity. If it's not a relationship that makes you a better person, where you feel free, and you can be vulnerable but safe, where you can make him a better person, and where God is at the center of it all, then it's not for you.
It's a fantastic thing to find a relationship that does all these things. Not everyone finds it. But you can try, and you can seek it, because many do. After all, you want the best marriage EVER, and the way to prepare for that is during your dating years.
I'll be glad to talk to you more about this as you wish. Maybe I've given you enough to now. I'll let you decide.