by jimwalton » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:57 pm
Thanks for responding. Let's take a look.
> Num. 19.11, 21-22
In Lk. 7.14, touching the coffin would have made him ceremonially unclean for one day. So we can presume he would have become ritually impure for 24 hours on that occasion
Mt. 9.25; Mk. 5.41; ; Lk. 8.54. Yep. He touched the girl's corpse and raised her. Was He ceremonially unclean for a week? Could be.
> Lev. 5.2-3
Contacting impurity is not a sin, nor forbidden by the law. Having done so requires a period of cleansing.
> Lev. 22.4-6
Here it's the person with the skin disease or bodily discharge that is unclean. And then, of course, touching a corpse renders one ceremonially unclean (though not touching a leper). There is no indication that the cause of uncleanness was considered sinful.
> Lev. 13.45
Again, this is talking about the leper himself, not about anyone who touches him or her.
So, I'm trying to figure out what your point is. You want to know, "Did Jesus become ritually impure when he touched the dead/lepers?" Possibly, yeah.
You want to know, "did he purify himself according to Mosaic Law?" We're not told, but since Jesus obeyed the law (not the Pharisees' lists and rules), we have every reason to believe he would have.
Jesus observed many practices associated with the Jewish piety of his day: giving alms, prayer, and fasting (Mt. 6.1-18). Jesus fasted (Mk. 1.12-13); he prayed and taught his disciples to pray (Mt. 6.7-15; Lk. 11.1-13; 22.39-46); he and his disciples gave alms, and he taught others to do likewise (Lk. 11.41; 12.33; Jn. 13.29). Jesus presupposed the validity of the temple, the sacrifices, and Israel's holy days (Mt. 5.23-24; Mk. 414.14). He read and quoted from the Jewish Scriptures and regarded them as authoritative (Lk. 4.16-22; 10.25-28; Mk. 10.19; 12.24-34). Apparently he attended synagogue services regularly (Lk. 4.16).
Jesus also accepted the authority of the Torah. He did not reject the Law. What he opposed were certain interpretations and applications of the Law. In Mt. 5.21-48, for instance, Jesus doesn’t contradict the commands of Moses; he challenges conventional interpretations and applications of those laws.
So did he purify himself according to Mosaic Law? There's every reason to believe yes, unless you have evidence of otherwise. The text doesn't tell us. But since he was known to observe the law, we can assume so.
I guess I still don't see what's the point or the problem. If you elaborate what's behind your question, I'll be glad to keep discussing it with you.
Thanks for responding. Let's take a look.
> Num. 19.11, 21-22
In Lk. 7.14, touching the coffin would have made him ceremonially unclean for one day. So we can presume he would have become ritually impure for 24 hours on that occasion
Mt. 9.25; Mk. 5.41; ; Lk. 8.54. Yep. He touched the girl's corpse and raised her. Was He ceremonially unclean for a week? Could be.
> Lev. 5.2-3
Contacting impurity is not a sin, nor forbidden by the law. Having done so requires a period of cleansing.
> Lev. 22.4-6
Here it's the person with the skin disease or bodily discharge that is unclean. And then, of course, touching a corpse renders one ceremonially unclean (though not touching a leper). There is no indication that the cause of uncleanness was considered sinful.
> Lev. 13.45
Again, this is talking about the leper himself, not about anyone who touches him or her.
So, I'm trying to figure out what your point is. You want to know, "Did Jesus become ritually impure when he touched the dead/lepers?" Possibly, yeah.
You want to know, "did he purify himself according to Mosaic Law?" We're not told, but since Jesus obeyed the law (not the Pharisees' lists and rules), we have every reason to believe he would have.
Jesus observed many practices associated with the Jewish piety of his day: giving alms, prayer, and fasting (Mt. 6.1-18). Jesus fasted (Mk. 1.12-13); he prayed and taught his disciples to pray (Mt. 6.7-15; Lk. 11.1-13; 22.39-46); he and his disciples gave alms, and he taught others to do likewise (Lk. 11.41; 12.33; Jn. 13.29). Jesus presupposed the validity of the temple, the sacrifices, and Israel's holy days (Mt. 5.23-24; Mk. 414.14). He read and quoted from the Jewish Scriptures and regarded them as authoritative (Lk. 4.16-22; 10.25-28; Mk. 10.19; 12.24-34). Apparently he attended synagogue services regularly (Lk. 4.16).
Jesus also accepted the authority of the Torah. He did not reject the Law. What he opposed were certain interpretations and applications of the Law. In Mt. 5.21-48, for instance, Jesus doesn’t contradict the commands of Moses; he challenges conventional interpretations and applications of those laws.
So did he purify himself according to Mosaic Law? There's every reason to believe yes, unless you have evidence of otherwise. The text doesn't tell us. But since he was known to observe the law, we can assume so.
I guess I still don't see what's the point or the problem. If you elaborate what's behind your question, I'll be glad to keep discussing it with you.