by jimwalton » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:36 am
> So this would actually mean that Deuteronomy 13 is actually saying that when He bans us from idolatry to other gods, He's protecting what's His lest it strays away from Him?
Yes. YHWH is not jealous of other gods, but instead of the worship given to them (Ps. 78.58). It's an expression of proprietary rights based on His relationship. He's trying to protect the relationship to which He has the exclusive rights. It is not as much intolerance as it is exclusiveness.
> I was pondering about the level of activeness that one must partake – 13:9, why the severity.
If there really is a God, then that has immense implications for life and eternity. Honestly, if there really is a God, there is nothing more important than discovering that truth and living in it. (If there really is no God, that has tremendous implications for life also!) But if there really is a God, and our lives and eternal destiny depend on finding that truth and living in it, then deceit about God is the worst possible offense, worse than murder, rape, cancer, torture, or anything else (as horrific as those things are). Idolatry, then, has *eternal* implications, and the truth about God must be protected seriously at all costs.
> Is killing therefore justified when done in defence of your faith?
No, we don't do this any more, though the eternal stakes are just as critical. That teaching was for Israel under their theocracy; it went belly-up when the Temple was destroyed. Killing is no longer justified in defense of our faith; we live under a different covenant (the covenant of Jesus's sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection).
> I have known Him as a father. Not what is portrayed in OT.
The OT consistently portrays YHWH as Father. Mother bears kill those who threaten their young. The OT portrays YHWH as having overwhelming compassion, unending love, and deep care for His children. Anyone who threatens that has to face "mother bear." When you were young, you expected your parents to protect you, and if someone messed with you, they had to face your mama. That's what's happening here. God's care is so strong and so deep and if anyone threatens his "babies"—His people who are the sheep of his pasture—He has no qualms about using severity against the perpetrators. It's His love that motivates Him.
> So this would actually mean that Deuteronomy 13 is actually saying that when He bans us from idolatry to other gods, He's protecting what's His lest it strays away from Him?
Yes. YHWH is not jealous of other gods, but instead of the worship given to them (Ps. 78.58). It's an expression of proprietary rights based on His relationship. He's trying to protect the relationship to which He has the exclusive rights. It is not as much intolerance as it is exclusiveness.
> I was pondering about the level of activeness that one must partake – 13:9, why the severity.
If there really is a God, then that has immense implications for life and eternity. Honestly, if there really is a God, there is nothing more important than discovering that truth and living in it. (If there really is no God, that has tremendous implications for life also!) But if there really is a God, and our lives and eternal destiny depend on finding that truth and living in it, then deceit about God is the worst possible offense, worse than murder, rape, cancer, torture, or anything else (as horrific as those things are). Idolatry, then, has *eternal* implications, and the truth about God must be protected seriously at all costs.
> Is killing therefore justified when done in defence of your faith?
No, we don't do this any more, though the eternal stakes are just as critical. That teaching was for Israel under their theocracy; it went belly-up when the Temple was destroyed. Killing is no longer justified in defense of our faith; we live under a different covenant (the covenant of Jesus's sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection).
> I have known Him as a father. Not what is portrayed in OT.
The OT consistently portrays YHWH as Father. Mother bears kill those who threaten their young. The OT portrays YHWH as having overwhelming compassion, unending love, and deep care for His children. Anyone who threatens that has to face "mother bear." When you were young, you expected your parents to protect you, and if someone messed with you, they had to face your mama. That's what's happening here. God's care is so strong and so deep and if anyone threatens his "babies"—His people who are the sheep of his pasture—He has no qualms about using severity against the perpetrators. It's His love that motivates Him.