by jimwalton » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:04 pm
> Even if I were to accept that the author of this passage somehow expects his mostly-gentile readership to implicitly know Moses' Law is not being administered correctly
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Your assumption that the audience was clearly Gentile is an unfounded assumption. John's Gospel is filled with pericopes aimed at a Jewish audience:
* Jn. 1.19-28, assuming knowledge of priests, Levites, the expectation of Elijah, reference to Isaiah the prophet, and the meaning of baptism.
* Jn. 1.29-34: reference to the Lamb of God, Judaistic concepts of atonement, the meaning of baptism, revelation to israel, and the place of the Holy Spirit.
* Jn. 1.47, assuming the audience would understand the reference to a "true Israelite."
* Jn. 1.49, assuming the audience would understand the reference to the Son of God and the "King of Israel."
* Jn. 2.1-11, assuming the audience would understand the reference to the stone jars and the symbolism of wine as referring to Israel.
* Jn. 2.12-22, assuming the audience would understand the references to the prophetic images of the Temple and zeal for God's house house.
* Jn. 3.1-15, and all the imagery to one of Israel's elite teachers.
* Jn. 3.22-36. John the Baptist was a prophet to Israel. The teaching makes sense in address to Jews.
* Jn. 4. Jesus's conversation with the woman at the well is founded in OT teachings with which a Jewish audience would be familiar.
* Jn. 4.43-54—an indictment of Jewish unbelief, supposed to be convicting to a Jewish audience.
* Jn. 5.1-15. The miracle was a message to the Jews.
* Jn. 5.16-47: a message from Jesus about the Sabbath, Jewish monotheistic theology, and the Jewish Scriptures
* Jn. 6: The feeding of the 5000 and the Bread of Life sermon were aimed at a Jewish audience.
* Jn. 7. Jesus teaching at the Feast of Tabernacles, a Jewish feast, obviously written to those with a knowledge of the feast.
So, I seriously ask you: At what point can you seriously contend that John 8 is written to a mostly Gentile readership who would have little to no knowledge of Moses's law? You've just jumped out of the entire book and the entire context.
Obviously, John 7.52-8.11 is not authentic, but there is nothing in it to substantiate a claim that it was written to a mostly Gentile audience who wouldn't know the Law was not being administered correctly. Secondly, since we don't know who wrote it, or when, the evidence of context, themes, and terminology leads us in the opposite direction of your conclusion.
> Jesus does not do anything to legitimize what has become illegitimate.
What is it that has become illegitimate? I don't know what you're talking about.
> Ultimately Jesus admits that her sin of adultery will now go unpunished
He does NOT admit that. What He does admit is that neither He (in this situation at this time) nor the Pharisees are in a position to punish her sin, which is absolutely correct. It would take a legitimate gathering of perpetrators (the man and the woman), and investigation of the evidence, an appearance before a legitimate court, and the testimony of actual witnesses to do this case correctly. There is always punishment for sin (Num. 32.23; 2 Cor. 5.10). But this was neither the time for that nor the right context.
> Shouldn't a mistrial call for a retrial?
Very possibly. If the Pharisees were serious about such things, they could easily do that—and perhaps they did. What happened next between them and the woman is unknown. But Jesus didn't call for that because the whole situation was a trap for Him, an abuse of the woman as a tool to manipulate Jesus, and a travesty of judicial propriety. I doubt that the Pharisees followed it up. One can tell from the situation and set-up that they didn't care about the Torah or justice, but only about trapping Jesus and slandering him in front of the people present.
> Even if I were to accept that the author of this passage somehow expects his mostly-gentile readership to implicitly know Moses' Law is not being administered correctly
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Your assumption that the audience was clearly Gentile is an unfounded assumption. John's Gospel is filled with pericopes aimed at a Jewish audience:
* Jn. 1.19-28, assuming knowledge of priests, Levites, the expectation of Elijah, reference to Isaiah the prophet, and the meaning of baptism.
* Jn. 1.29-34: reference to the Lamb of God, Judaistic concepts of atonement, the meaning of baptism, revelation to israel, and the place of the Holy Spirit.
* Jn. 1.47, assuming the audience would understand the reference to a "true Israelite."
* Jn. 1.49, assuming the audience would understand the reference to the Son of God and the "King of Israel."
* Jn. 2.1-11, assuming the audience would understand the reference to the stone jars and the symbolism of wine as referring to Israel.
* Jn. 2.12-22, assuming the audience would understand the references to the prophetic images of the Temple and zeal for God's house house.
* Jn. 3.1-15, and all the imagery to one of Israel's elite teachers.
* Jn. 3.22-36. John the Baptist was a prophet to Israel. The teaching makes sense in address to Jews.
* Jn. 4. Jesus's conversation with the woman at the well is founded in OT teachings with which a Jewish audience would be familiar.
* Jn. 4.43-54—an indictment of Jewish unbelief, supposed to be convicting to a Jewish audience.
* Jn. 5.1-15. The miracle was a message to the Jews.
* Jn. 5.16-47: a message from Jesus about the Sabbath, Jewish monotheistic theology, and the Jewish Scriptures
* Jn. 6: The feeding of the 5000 and the Bread of Life sermon were aimed at a Jewish audience.
* Jn. 7. Jesus teaching at the Feast of Tabernacles, a Jewish feast, obviously written to those with a knowledge of the feast.
So, I seriously ask you: At what point can you seriously contend that John 8 is written to a mostly Gentile readership who would have little to no knowledge of Moses's law? You've just jumped out of the entire book and the entire context.
Obviously, John 7.52-8.11 is not authentic, but there is nothing in it to substantiate a claim that it was written to a mostly Gentile audience who wouldn't know the Law was not being administered correctly. Secondly, since we don't know who wrote it, or when, the evidence of context, themes, and terminology leads us in the opposite direction of your conclusion.
> Jesus does not do anything to legitimize what has become illegitimate.
What is it that has become illegitimate? I don't know what you're talking about.
> Ultimately Jesus admits that her sin of adultery will now go unpunished
He does NOT admit that. What He does admit is that neither He (in this situation at this time) nor the Pharisees are in a position to punish her sin, which is absolutely correct. It would take a legitimate gathering of perpetrators (the man and the woman), and investigation of the evidence, an appearance before a legitimate court, and the testimony of actual witnesses to do this case correctly. There is always punishment for sin (Num. 32.23; 2 Cor. 5.10). But this was neither the time for that nor the right context.
> Shouldn't a mistrial call for a retrial?
Very possibly. If the Pharisees were serious about such things, they could easily do that—and perhaps they did. What happened next between them and the woman is unknown. But Jesus didn't call for that because the whole situation was a trap for Him, an abuse of the woman as a tool to manipulate Jesus, and a travesty of judicial propriety. I doubt that the Pharisees followed it up. One can tell from the situation and set-up that they didn't care about the Torah or justice, but only about trapping Jesus and slandering him in front of the people present.