Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

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Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by jimwalton » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:31 am

There is no one who has gone through life and not sinned, except Jesus. Your hypothetical "so even if I do not sin" is unrealistic. Everyone chooses to sin.

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by Ordered » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:00 am

So even if I do not sin I will still be condemned to hell? Meanwhile if you as a christian sin you will be forgiven and go to heaven?

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by jimwalton » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:26 pm

It has nothing to do with the good life. A relationship with God is not about having "a good life." Being freed from sin doesn't pertain to the "good life." Of course you can possibly have a good life without God. That's not the point. You need God to be freed from sin and to be reconciled to God. It is not something you can do on your own. Heaven isn't for good people, it's for redeemed people. Hell isn't for bad people, it's for people who have rejected a relationship with God who have used their free will to remain in sin.

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by Ordered » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:26 pm

So what do I need the god for? I can choose a good life can't I?

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by jimwalton » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:23 pm

I've explained this several times. I'll try again. You are born with a sin nature, just as you are born unable to fly, unable to transport yourself to other planets at an instant, or to disappear. The nature of matter (that you are of material substance) has nothing to do with free will. The fact that you cannot fly has nothing to do with free will. Your sin nature has nothing to do with free will. The fact that you are born with a sin nature has nothing to do with free will. It is a state of being, just like your body's materialism. You are unable to fly; you are unable to become invisible; you are unable to live a perfect life. These don't pertain to free will, but instead to your nature as a human being.

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by Ordered » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:19 pm

Let's be clear, does my free will mean I can choose to sin or not sin?

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by jimwalton » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:09 am

The essence of free will is that you are not condemned to remain in sin. You are free to change your status at any time. God offers you, every minute of your life, an invitation to change that status. He will not and cannot force it on you; you must choose it. He invites you to choose life rather than sin and death. He offers you freedom from the enslavement to sin in which you were born. Free will is the distinguishing of potential courses, the ability to reason, and the excise of autonomy in making a decision. These are all continually available to you.

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by Ordered » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:04 am

So what is the essence of free will if my nature is to sin?

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by jimwalton » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:50 am

Free will is about choices that are yours to make. You can't claim that you don't have free will because you can't transport yourself to the rings of Saturn. That event is not circumscribed by the concept of free will. You can't claim that your free will was violated when your parents didn't consult with you regarding your conception. Similarly, you can't claim your free will was violated by being born with human nature.

What you DO have a choice about is whether to stay shackled to sin or to be liberated from it. That's where free will comes into the picture. If you want to be liberated from your sin nature, just come to God. It's even easier than changing your citizenship from French to German. Accept God's free invitation to be forgiven, and you will be forgiven and re-created. That's how you "are able to make a free choice."

Re: Romans 6:18 - What does freedom from sin mean?

Post by Ordered » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:46 am

So what is free will about if not about making choices? If your choices are shackled to sin then how are able to make a free choice?

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