by jimwalton » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:40 am
This is an excellent question. I’m going to give you a nuanced answer.
First of all, there are two things we know for sure:
1. We are saved because we have the nature of Jesus in us, by grace through faith. Our view of Scripture is never ever portrayed in the Bible as one of the conditions for salvation. Our salvation is based on the blood of Christ alone, and we respond to his invitation to receive him (Jn. 1.12). There is no indication in the Bible that, for instance, a view of Gn. 1 as metaphor rather than history, a view of Job or Jonah as fiction, will keep one out of heaven. History tells us, for example, that Martin Luther claimed that book of James was “an epistle of straw,” and he was greatly displeased with its inclusion in the New Testament.
2. All of the Bible is God-breathed (2 Tim. 3.16). We are able to (and are commanded to) trust the entire Bible as perfect truth (Mt. 5.18-19). We are given no warrant as followers of God to exclude even a single letter.
With these two irrefutable facts in front of us, where do we go, then, with your question? It’s not black-and-white, but instead nuanced. I will say it this way: all of the Bible is perfect truth, and we are expected to trust it as God-breathed and beneficial for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness (2 Tim. 3.16). But we also know this, just as clearly: when people first come to Christ, they often have an incomplete understanding of Christ and Christianity, and God needs to shape them, guide them into all truth (Jn. 16.13), and sanctify them (Jn. 17.17). I would venture a guess that all of us have, somewhere in us, misunderstandings about God and His Word that God is gradually and progressively teaching us.
In other words, if a young Christian doesn’t believe all of the Bible, I think he/she is still a Christian, and in the course of time God will convince that individual of the inspiration of ALL of Scripture. It is expected that all of us buy into ALL of Scripture. But suppose that person never comes to that point? I don’t think they lose their salvation. Salvation is never predicated on our view of Scripture. But I would say that person is going to have an inadequate view of God, I would include a wrong view of Scripture, and their deprecatory view of the inspiration of ALL of Scripture will have a detrimental effect on their Christianity and on any with whom they speak. But are they not saved? I would never say that. Lots of Christians are still saved even though they give in to temptation, indulge in various sins, have a distorted view of God or Scripture, or don’t in some way subscribe to the whole “Christianity” package. Salvation is never conditioned by being 100% orthodox (that unless you have it all you have nothing).
Now, I would also say, in agreement with your husband, that if someone starts setting him- or herself up as the authority to decide what is God-breathed and what is not, now we have a real problem. If you deny any of it, you set yourself up as arbiter of truth and falsehood, and I believe that place belongs to God alone. That’s why I think it’s really important that we accept all of Scripture as the perfect Word of God. If we open the door for humans to decide, we’ve opened Pandora’s Box of discrediting any portion we choose to discredit, a most dangerous trend.
So you see why I would call my response “nuanced.” The ideal that is expected is not the only possibility. God in His grace allows us to hold less-than-satisfying positions without jeopardizing our salvation.
Feel free to respond, disagree, or ask more questions.
This is an excellent question. I’m going to give you a nuanced answer.
First of all, there are two things we know for sure:
1. We are saved because we have the nature of Jesus in us, by grace through faith. Our view of Scripture is never ever portrayed in the Bible as one of the conditions for salvation. Our salvation is based on the blood of Christ alone, and we respond to his invitation to receive him (Jn. 1.12). There is no indication in the Bible that, for instance, a view of Gn. 1 as metaphor rather than history, a view of Job or Jonah as fiction, will keep one out of heaven. History tells us, for example, that Martin Luther claimed that book of James was “an epistle of straw,” and he was greatly displeased with its inclusion in the New Testament.
2. All of the Bible is God-breathed (2 Tim. 3.16). We are able to (and are commanded to) trust the entire Bible as perfect truth (Mt. 5.18-19). We are given no warrant as followers of God to exclude even a single letter.
With these two irrefutable facts in front of us, where do we go, then, with your question? It’s not black-and-white, but instead nuanced. I will say it this way: all of the Bible is perfect truth, and we are expected to trust it as God-breathed and beneficial for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness (2 Tim. 3.16). But we also know this, just as clearly: when people first come to Christ, they often have an incomplete understanding of Christ and Christianity, and God needs to shape them, guide them into all truth (Jn. 16.13), and sanctify them (Jn. 17.17). I would venture a guess that all of us have, somewhere in us, misunderstandings about God and His Word that God is gradually and progressively teaching us.
In other words, if a young Christian doesn’t believe all of the Bible, I think he/she is still a Christian, and in the course of time God will convince that individual of the inspiration of ALL of Scripture. It is expected that all of us buy into ALL of Scripture. But suppose that person never comes to that point? I don’t think they lose their salvation. Salvation is never predicated on our view of Scripture. But I would say that person is going to have an inadequate view of God, I would include a wrong view of Scripture, and their deprecatory view of the inspiration of ALL of Scripture will have a detrimental effect on their Christianity and on any with whom they speak. But are they not saved? I would never say that. Lots of Christians are still saved even though they give in to temptation, indulge in various sins, have a distorted view of God or Scripture, or don’t in some way subscribe to the whole “Christianity” package. Salvation is never conditioned by being 100% orthodox (that unless you have it all you have nothing).
Now, I would also say, in agreement with your husband, that if someone starts setting him- or herself up as the authority to decide what is God-breathed and what is not, now we have a real problem. If you deny any of it, you set yourself up as arbiter of truth and falsehood, and I believe that place belongs to God alone. That’s why I think it’s really important that we accept all of Scripture as the perfect Word of God. If we open the door for humans to decide, we’ve opened Pandora’s Box of discrediting any portion we choose to discredit, a most dangerous trend.
So you see why I would call my response “nuanced.” The ideal that is expected is not the only possibility. God in His grace allows us to hold less-than-satisfying positions without jeopardizing our salvation.
Feel free to respond, disagree, or ask more questions.