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Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby jimwalton » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:40 pm

Today President Trump signed into law construction of a border wall. My question is this: Is there a difference between xenophobia and border security/immigration enforcement? Trump is being accused of xenophobia because of his desire to restrict the influx of illegal aliens. Is it a fair accusation?
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Den Bren » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:48 pm

No, it's no xenophobia, and the two things are different. Every country has a right to protect their boarders how they see fit. Illegal immigrants from Mexico have caused a lot of issues for the border states (especially) and our system as a whole. Our agents down there can only do so much.
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Incor » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:08 pm

That's not why he's accused of xenophobia. I've not heard anyone arguing against restricting the influx of illegal aliens or enforcing border laws. He's accused of xenophobia because he has labeled all Mexicans as rapists and criminals and has proposed a registry for Muslims. Also. A wall is an expensive, ineffective schtick that detracts from real solutions.
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby The Moonster » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:11 pm

No. Most other countries, even non-monoculture ones such as Canada and New Zealand have significantly stricter immigration enforcement than we do. Beyond that, we have had an issue with a willingness to enforce the laws we do have. Clearly, something needed to change. A nation without borders is no nation at all. At this moment, our largest issue is the southern border with Mexico. Mexico is largely in a shambles right now. They aren't quite to "failed state" levels of problems, but are very, very close. We have a several-thousand-mile-long border with this troubled country and our border enforcement efforts have been minimal at best. Illicit drugs stream across the border, Human trafficking streams across the border, and criminals of all stripes stream across the border. Even International terrorists are coming across the border. Yet America's leaders have lain supine, proclaiming that "nothing can be done" while they reap the benefits of the illicit human trade in the form of illegal votes (Democrats) and illegal low-wage labor (Republicans). It must stop or poverty, job loss, escalating crime and violence will spiral out of control and turn America into a war zone. We the People have had enough, so we elected someone to Do Something about it, namely, wall off the southern border and enforce immigration law. Those who claim this is "xenophobia" or "racism" either speak from ignorance, blind ideology, or have something to gain from continuing the status quo. Ignorance is understandable. It's a reasonably complex subject and not everyone has the time to fully educate themselves. Blind Ideology is less understandable, as it indicates a closed mind. However even the blind can have their eyes opened, and many in recent years have done just that. It's this last group—those with something to gain—that we have to really worry about. These people are dangerous. They KNOW the destruction that they are creating, and they don't care, because they want it to happen.And that's the really frightening thing: That there are some Americans who are actively working towards the destruction of the country. Terrifying. (Sorry for the wall of text.)
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Bless You » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:15 pm

There is nothing racist nor xenophobic about a wall. Saying we're going to "ban all Muslim immigration" and calling Mexicans "rapists and drug runners"—that is a fair assessment to call him out on racism.
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Dr. John Boyd » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:55 pm

Let's be frank. In order for America to become a socialist republic the Democrats will do ANYTHING necessary to retain and remain in power. One of their methods is to UNsecure the borders and offer free everything to illegals, including the right to vote. They are ready to promise ANYTHING to ANYONE to achieve their goals of total government control of every life in America. Anyone who does not see this needs to get a good pair of patriotic eyeglasses. To bring this into a spiritual perspective...that is how Satan is going to try to rid this land of any semblance of Christianity. How sad that there are many who call themselves Christians but promote and vote in support of the liberal agenda.
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Shoes » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:03 pm

If you have not heard anyone arguing against restricting the influx of illegal aliens or enforcing border laws, you haven't been listening. Hillary referenced her desire for open borders in a speech she gave in 2013 to some S American bank (I believe). Also, when did Trump label ALL Mexicans as rapists and criminals?
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Michigan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:06 pm

Trump is married to an immigrant, he hires immigrants.....I don't think he's anti-immigrant, and his words have been twisted, taken out of context, and memed to death to advance a false narrative. I am not anti-immigrant either, but I also believe our immigration system needs to be improved and enforced, both at the same time. Legal immigrants wait far too long at the back of the line while illegal ones shove their way to the front. There are laws for a reason, and if they are simply ignored, chaos takes over and you end up with inmates running the insane asylum, so to speak. We as a nation have every right to make sure those entering our borders are friendly, willing to work, and want to contribute to a healthy society rather than being a drain on our resources, a financial burden to taxpayers and citizens, and a challenge to law enforcement officers.
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Incor » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:09 pm

He is married to a Russian model. That doesn't give him credibility on immigration. No one is twisting his words or taking them out of context. It's right there in plain sight.
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Re: Trump's Southern Border Wall

Postby Den Bren » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:13 pm

So a Russian (ex)model isn't an immigrant? That makes no sense. Do you think only Mexicans are immigrants?
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