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The NIV leaves out 16 verses!

Postby Head William » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:42 am

The NIV leaves out 16 entire verses!

1. Matthew 17:21: "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."

2. Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

3. Matthew 23:14: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

4. Mark 7:16: "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

5. Mark 9:44: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

6. Mark 9:46: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

7. Mark 11:26: "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

8. Mark 15:28: "And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."

9. Luke 17:36: "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

10. John 5:4: "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

11. Acts 8:37: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

12. Acts 15:34: "Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still."

13. Acts 24:7: "But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,"

14. Acts 28:29: "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."

15. Romans 16:24: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

16. I John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
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Re: The NIV leaves out 16 verses!

Postby jimwalton » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:20 am

There are thousands and thousands of manuscripts and fragments of the New Testament. Scholars pore over these things endlessly, and catalog them, translate them, and compare them. As it turns out, there are slight variations between some of them, but we have so many, the scholars are able to arrive at what the original text was. These verses that you have mentioned are not in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts, and scholars can be fairly certain they were added later and don’t really belong there.

My Greek Bible has ratings for some questionable verses and alternate readings:

A: This reading is virtually certain
B: There is some degree of doubt
C: There is considerable degree of doubt
D: A high degree of doubt.

For instance, Matthew 17.21 was given a {B}: They are fairly certain it doesn’t belong, but there is some degree of doubt. It is not in Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, or Alexandrinus, three of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts we have. Scholars are fairly certain, but not absolutely convinced, it was added later than the 4th century, so it is left out of the NIV.
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Re: The NIV leaves out 16 verses!

Postby Head William » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:10 pm

that's your answer to sawtawn/satan/satanas added in the 14th and 15th centuries the scriptures up to that never knew a satanas , added in the 14 125 century, when the new translations came out , that's the same time as verses or chunks of bible disappeared,or was changed.
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Re: The NIV leaves out 16 verses!

Postby jimwalton » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:52 am

You misunderstand. It’s not that Satan was added in the 14th and 15th centuries, or that the words were changed. What I was saying is that it was in the 14th and 15th centuries that the sentences in the Bible were assigned verse numbers, and the text was divided into chapters so people could find things easier.

New translations came out then because the printing press was invented by Gutenberg in 1436. It is current research that has said those verses don’t really belong. The King James Authorized version included them.

There were no “chunks” of the Bible that disappeared or were changed.


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