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[Jeweler]

So what’s your source that can be corroborated as true? How would you KNOW the source is true and not just be assuming it is?

So if dark matter makes up 85% of the matter in the universe then it could impact other forms of matter after heat death in ways we can’t predict. For instance, my understanding is that dark matter repels as opposed to attracts like gravity. If dark matter is surrounding all other matter it could allow for all matter in the universe to eventually coalesce and form one large gravitational singularity just like at the Big Bang.

It seems like you’ve made a number of assumptions. You claim multiple evidences for God, but I know of none since nothing could verify something that can’t be measured. You said billions of people have experienced God but there isn’t any evidence for this either. You would have to say there is evidence for anything anyone has ever claimed if you take their claim of speaking to God as truth. So you can’t show evidence for God without also accepting someone who said they visited a multiverse as truth as well.

[jimwalton]

> So what’s your source that can be corroborated as true? How would you KNOW the source is true and not just be assuming it is?

What is my source for what? The conversation has gone in many directions, so you need to be clear.

> So if dark matter makes up 85% of the matter in the universe then it could impact other forms of matter after heat death in ways we can’t predict. For instance, my understanding is that dark matter repels as opposed to attracts like gravity. If dark matter is surrounding all other matter it could allow for all matter in the universe to eventually coalesce and form one large gravitational singularity just like at the Big Bang.

So what? Out of the blue you asked me about the thermodynamics of dark matter, and I said it's unknown. In response to me you related assorted facts about dark matter. And the point is?

> It seems like you’ve made a number of assumptions.

Everyone does, and about everything. Science can't even exist without assumptions, such as (1) the world is real, (2) there is such a thing as truth, (3) truth can be known, (4) the human mind can be trusted to make accurate observations and to arrive at truth statements, etc. We all make assumptions.

> You claim multiple evidences for God, but I know of none since nothing could verify something that can’t be measured.

I was suspecting that you didn't pay much attention to that post of mine. Many of my claims in that post that are scientific can be measured. But I've also already established that scientific measure is not the only standard of truth. I love my wife deeply, but you can't verify it by measure. I was extremely frustrated yesterday; that can't be verified by measure, either.

> You said billions of people have experienced God but there isn’t any evidence for this either.

There's plenty of evidence for these changed lives. Simple observation available to any scientist could observe that a person who lives across the street from my mom as a swearing, drinking, angry man who became a different person who no longer swears, drinks, and is quite loving. I know men who were drug addicts who overnight were healed, criminals who walked away from the life of crime when the came to Christ, and thieves who stopped stealing and did productive work instead. The evidences are abundant.

> So you can’t show evidence for God without also accepting someone who said they visited a multiverse as truth as well.

And you can readily see that this is not the same at all. A swearing, angry, drunk who changed into a caring person, and easily observed as such, is NOTHING like someone claiming that he visited a multiverse (cue "Twilight Zone" music...).