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[Historian]

Jesus is not a good role model. Here's why:

1. He was extremely arrogant.

2. He was disrespectful to his mother and his disciples. He even send his stepfather Joseph to hell according the scripture.

3. He drowned a herd of pigs and cursed a tree probably leaving their owners without food.

4. He cursed entire cities to death for ignoring him.

5. He hates everyone who don't believe in him and sends him punihsments like diseases etc.

6. He is the one who invented the idea of hell. No such idea found in NT.

7. He praised slavery and told slaves to obey their masters even more.

7. If Heaven and Hell are real, he condemned billions to hell for ,,crimes'' like being from another religion. Some of the people he send to hell never actually heard of him. And don't tell me that Hell is not for people but for the demons and we choose to go there. Nobody chooses hell. It is god who sends us there. Making him worse than the Devil.

8. He didn't wash his hands before meal. In the Middle Ages priests followed his example and have told people not to wash themselves. This led to death of millions.

In conclusion we can say that he is a terrible moral teacher and he deserved to be crucified. If the Father is an asshole to mankind, the son is even bigger asshole.

[jimwalton]

There are so many things wrong with this analysis and perceptions, it's hard to know where to begin.

1. Arrogance. Source? Text? Arrogance is different from confidence. Knowing He was God, I would expect Him to be confident in that knowledge. Being arrogant, however, is an obnoxious, offensive display of self-importance and an overbearing pride. You'll have to show the text where this is so.
2. Disrespectful to mother and brothers and his disciples. To which text are you referring? For instance, in Mark 3.33, he is neither disrespecting them or deprecating their relationship, but rather using a teachable moment to make a point about discipleship, positions, and priorities. He is dissociating himself from their authority. He is starting a new divine family not based in biology. What matters is God's will and God's kingdom, not your lineage—a very important message for his Jewish audience. His treatment of his mother with tenderness at the cross is an illustration of his respect for her. And as to the "sending Joseph to hell according to the Scripture," that's a downright laughable falsehood. Text for that? I think it was you who raised this a few weeks ago and discovered there was no truth to it. I'm surprised you're still hanging on to a proven lie.
3. Drowned pigs. Jesus didn't drown the pigs, the demons did. They were in control at the time of the drowning. The fig tree wasn't producing fruit, remember? He was not leaving their owners without food.
4. Cursing of cities. Matthew 11.21 = Luke 10.13. He denounced them for rebelling against the obvious. Their judgment would come later, however. Right now he's just telling them the truth about the consequences of their choices. You certainly can't fault Jesus for shying away from the truth. It's a warning to people to repent while there's still time.
5. "He hates everyone who don't believe in him and sends him punishments like diseases etc." There is nothing true about this, and no text that shows it. It's as false as false can be. Show me a text where Jesus is said to "hate" someone, or where he makes someone sick or diseased.
6. "He is the one who invented the idea of hell. No such idea found in NT." Well, we could start with Daniel 12.2. Or we could go to 1 Thes. 1.9 or Rev. 21.8, as you wish.
7. Slavery. Text where Jesus praised slavery? Source?
8. "Nobody chooses hell. It is god who sends us there." Everyone gets to choose whom they will serve (Dt. 30.11-20). It's up to you. John 3.16 says that the choice is ours. So also Romans 10.9-10. Jn. 1.12. If you choose against life, don't be surprised that you get death (Rev. 20.11-15).
9. "Washing hands." You're really reaching now. Washing hands before meals was a millennium-old practice of the Jewish people, instituted by God. The Jews, because of God's laws, washed before meals. There was a point in Jesus not doing this, and it had nothing to do with hygiene. The rabbis had made hand-washing a mark of righteousness. Some Jews, to be extra righteous in the eyes of God, washed between courses and after meals, too. Good hygiene, but bad theology. The real issue for Jesus is not etiquette or hygiene, but theology. They are making up ways to be worthy in God's sight and deceiving the people about how to relate to God. By Jesus refusing to wash, he's teaching them an important spiritual truth. But just so you realize: he never told them not to wash. He had nothing against washing hands before meals.

In conclusion we can say that Jesus was an example of virtue, a teacher of truth, a prophet who spoke the words of the Lord, and a person who knew the heart and mind of God.

[Historian]

The Gospel of John tells people to shut their doors for those who reject Jesus. So by love your neighbour they mean love only the fellow Christian. And noone chooses Hell. It is Jesus who sends you there.

[jimwalton]

> The Gospel of John tells people to shut their doors for those who reject Jesus.

God lets people exercise their free will. He doesn't force Himself on people. Love can't be forced anyway. So if people reject Jesus, He keeps reaching out to them, but he won't (and can't) compel people to love him. Love that is forced isn't love at all.

And, by the way, The Gospel of John doesn't tell people to hurt their doors for those who reject Jesus. It's yet another place where you don't know the Bible, but I'll be glad to help and to talk about whatever you want. In Luke 10.1-24, there is a time when Jesus sends his disciples from town to town with the message of the good news. In Matthew 10 and Mark 6.7-13 he sends out his disciples. If people reject them, they are not to force anything, but to walk away (Mk. 6.11; Mt. 10.14; Lk. 10.10-11). And there is nothing like this in the Gospel of John. No Christians are shutting their doors to those who reject Jesus.

> So by love your neighbour they mean love only the fellow Christian.

No, not at all. Another misunderstanding. "Love your neighbor" comes from Leviticus 19.18 & 34 in specific reference to both your fellow countrymen and also foreigners who are not part of your people group. Jesus interprets it the same way in the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Lk. 10.25-37). So by "love your neighbor" they mean love everyone.

> And no one chooses Hell. It is Jesus who sends you there.

The Scriptures that I gave you are clear: "Everyone gets to choose whom they will serve (Dt. 30.11-20). It's up to you. John 3.16 says that the choice is ours. So also Romans 10.9-10. Jn. 1.12. If you choose against life, don't be surprised that you get death (Rev. 20.11-15)." If you're going to tell me what the Bible says ("No one chooses hell. It is Jesus who sends you there"), then we have to actually go by what the Bible says: You are the one who chooses, and Jesus sends you to where you have chosen. We have to read all of it, not just the pieces we want to make our point. If you choose to reject Jesus, His only choice is to send you away from His presence. You can't just read the verses that say Jesus sends them away, you also have to read the ones that say you are one who chooses to reject Jesus, which is what prompts the sending away.