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[Tool]

Can you explain Deuteronomy 6 4,Acts 7 55-56,romans 8 34 and tell me exactly where this trinity comes from because

1 Thessalonians 5 21

Proue all things: hold fast that which is good

[jimwalton]

Sure.

> Deuteronomy 6 4

This verse is not making a trinitarian claim. It is insisting that YHWH is unique. YHWH is one. The main thrust of the passage is that Israel should love YHWH their God. It is addressing Israel's allegiance to YHWH more than it functions as a philosophical declaration of His nature.

> Acts 7 55-56

Stephen relates what he saw—the glory of God the Father and Jesus standing at His right hand (a place of equal authority). This observation comes from his eyes, not from any tradition. It's what he saw.

> romans 8 34

Paul's theology was revealed to him by God (Gal. 1.11-12). It came from no tradition or previous teaching or knowledge.

> 1 Thessalonians 5 21

Excellent verse. It's one of many hundreds of thousands that I live by. Thank you for sharing it.

[Tool]

You're saying it didn't?can you please prove all things because it says nothing about trinity in the Bible but to keep it short explain Deuteronomy 6 4,acts 7 55-56 everyone looks at this as some type of magical thing but realistically and you if we can do proper math 1+1+1 doesn't equal 1 only 111 =1 just show me proof from the Bible or whatever you have that says different about any trinity because I can tell you nimrod killed his father to be the first king and married his mom and Nimrod died and Semiramis made them believe he went up to the sun and she got pregnant and he was the father and the son as she was the mother which created a trinity..if you want you can do more research on Babylon I don't feel like correcting my grammar or punctuation rn but basically nimrod is the sun worship of Sunday and Moon day is Monday bascially they believed Newborn =at dawn Mature/full grown =at noon Dying/old =at the end of the day Horis =rising sun Rah=midday sun Osiris =old setting sun Egyptian deities that's all these are

[jimwalton]

> You're saying it didn't?can you please prove all things

I can't prove a negative. If you're claiming it did, the burden of proof is on your shoulders to show me not only the connection but explicit derivation. I say there's nothing there; there is no connection; there is no derivation. You ask me to prove it. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. No string, no line, no derivation, no connection. It's completely missing. If you claim it's there, you have to prove it.

> math 1+1+1 doesn't equal 1

The trinity isn't math. This is a pretty weak explanation and a nonexistent case. The trinity is theological, not mathematical.

> it says nothing about trinity in the Bible

Jn. 1.1 says the Word was with God and the word was God. In John 10.30 Jesus said he and the Father were one in essence. In Matthew 28.19-20, the Father, Son, and Spirit are linked as equals. In John 14.16 & 18 Jesus makes Himself one with the Spirit. These go on and on. There are dozens of them.

In Philippians 2.6-11, Paul presents Christ as truly divine.

1 Cor. 12.4-6 mentions all three as equals.

In 1 Cor. 12.1-3; Gal. 4.4; Rom. 1.3-4; 8.11 Paul sees the Spirit's identity as defined by how the Father and Christ have sent him, and likewise the identities of the Father and Christ as "in part" determined by the Spirit.

Ephesians 2.18 shows that Jesus gives us access to the Father by means of the Spirit. So Jesus' blood is them means of access, but the Spirit is also the means of access. The result is that by reconciling people to Himself, Jesus reconciles people to God.

For that matter, all throughout Paul's writings God and Christ and Spirit are mutually defining and reciprocally implicating. That is, God's identity is defined in/through/by his relationship to Christ/Son, and vice versa, and also with regard to the Spirit, as listed above.

Romans 8 is infused with Father, Son, and Spirit working as equals and with equal authority, power, and presence. They are one undivided divine essence with different actions appropriate to their persons.

In Romans 9.5, Paul says explicitly that the Messiah (who is Jesus, vv. 1, 3) is God.

Titus 3.3-8. All three Persons of the Trinity are present and cooperating in the act of grace. Each Person has His function in the salvation of our soul.

There are also plenty of the places where the Father is equated with the Son, and the Son is equated with the Spirit. So if the principle holds that if A1 = A2 & A2 = A3, then A1 also equals A3.

> nimrod killed his father to be the first king and married his mom and Nimrod died and Semiramis made them believe he went up to the sun and she got pregnant and he was the father and the son as she was the mother which created a trinity

How does this make a trinity? Then ancients perceived them as separate entities. Father, mother, and son doesn't make a trinity. They have to be of one essence, which in ancient mythography, they are not.

> nimrod is the sun worship of Sunday and Moon day is Monday bascially they believed Newborn =at dawn Mature/full grown =at noon Dying/old =at the end of the day Horis =rising sun Rah=midday sun Osiris =old setting sun Egyptian deities that's all these are

So what. These aren't trinitarian notions. Nimrod is the sun worship of Sunday. Good for him. The moon day is Monday. This has nothing to do with Jesus or the trinity.

> Newborn =at dawn Mature/full grown =at noon Dying/old =at the end of the day Horis =rising sun Rah=midday sun Osiris =old setting sun Egyptian deities that's all these are

Yes, they did. But three is progression ≠ three in one essence. It's not the same at all. There are combinations of threes all through nature and history. But so what? That doesn't at all indicate that trinitarian theology derived from Babylonian mythology.

[Tool]

Osiris hurus isis=trinity

Zeus Apollo Athena=trinity

Another three and Semiramis +Tammuz +nimrod Nvm I don't feel like explaining if you know the your truth then that's fine..

But can you tell me what you Jesus looks like?I need to know before we can go further

I said 36 not 39

When did your messiah walked the earth?how many years ago?

[jimwalton]

> Osiris hurus isis=trinity

Isis was the sister and wife of Osiris. They were not the same deity nor ever shared an essence. Horus was their son. Sets of three, especially when there are more (such as another brother, Set), does not a trinity make.

> Zeus Apollo Athena=trinity

Athena and Apollos were children of Zeus, along with Artemis, Hermes, Persephone, Dioynsus, Perseus, Heracles, and others. So what makes this trinitarian? Sets of three doesn't a trinity make.

> Another three and Semiramis +Tammuz +nimrod

It's a set of three. That's not trinitarian! There are three primary colors; solfeggio frequencies come in threes, pi starts with three, each side of a Rubik's cube is 3 threes. Who cares!

> But can you tell me what you Jesus looks like?I need to know before we can go further

No, we don't really know. We can assume he looked typically mid-eastern, olive-colored skin, black hair, dark eyes. There was nothing about his appearance that was striking or probably anything different from anyone else. We have no idea of his height or weight.

> I said 36 not 39

You said the 3 and 36 others. "Tammuz, Semiramis, and Nimrod ... there were actually 36 others gods." That's 39.

> When did your messiah walked the earth?how many years ago?

We don't really know exactly when he was born and exactly when he died, but it was approximately 2000 years ago now.

[Tool]

I never said anything about it being about a trinity yes he is one that's my point

[jimwalton]

> I never said anything about it being about a trinity

Perhaps you need to re-read your posts.

• nimrod killed his father to be the first king and married his mom and Nimrod died and Semiramis made them believe he went up to the sun and she got pregnant and he was the father and the son as she was the mother which created a trinity
• Osiris hurus isis=trinity
• Zeus Apollo Athena=trinity

You also said, "Can you explain Deuteronomy 6 4,Acts 7 55-56,romans 8 34 and tell me exactly where this trinity comes from?", implying that people use these verses to claim the Bible teaches a trinity.

> yes he is one that's my point

Your point was that the Christian trinity was just borrowed or stolen from previous cultures, which you are unable to prove, and that the Christian trinity doesn't really make sense because: " if we can do proper math 1+1+1 doesn't equal 1," which also isn't an accurate analogy, as I've shown.

[Tool]

So you say he walked 2000 years ago?true but the letter J wasn't invented until the 15-16 th century if your name was Travis would it be ok for ppl to call you Jon hmmm Exodus 20 5 he's jealous and that's blasphemy

Don't say that's what we translated it too smh

[jimwalton]

> but the letter J wasn't invented until the 15-16 th century

This doesn't matter. We speak a different language, where letters and words are transliterated. Jesus's name in Hebrew was Yeshua or Yehosua (we in English say Joshua). His name in Greek was Iesou, the Greek form of Joshua. (Joseph's name in Greek is Yoseph.) The Muslims call him Isa. In Latin Jesus's name was Iesvs. We transliterate it into English as Jesus. What's your point? The transition probably came as some parts of the German language came into English. Yohann became John. I don't understand your point. There is no problem that we speak English and not Aramaic, Hebrew, or Greek. It's quite OK. "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

> Exodus 20 5 he's jealous and that's blasphemy

It's not blasphemy at all. YHWH is jealous that we worship only the true God, and Jesus is the true God, so there's no blasphemy there.