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Muhammed is in the torah

Postby El Fen » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:06 pm

The 42nd chapter of Isaiah in the Old Testament clearly foretells the coming of a Prophet with the following qualities: he will be God’s servant, he will bring a new law, he will bring light to the Gentiles, he will arise from the city of Madinah in Saudi Arabia, he will be a warrior and crush the enemies of God, those who worship idols. These are a people that had not received any revelation before this. Moreover it has been shown that it is impossible for Isaiah 42 to refer to Jesus.

Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. 2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. 3 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; 4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his teaching the islands will put their hope.”

5 This is what God the Lord says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

8 “I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols. 9 See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”

Song of Praise to the Lord

10 Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you islands, and all who live in them. 11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord and proclaim his praise in the islands. 13 The Lord will march out like a champion, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.
14 “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant. 15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills and dry up all their vegetation; I will turn rivers into islands and dry up the pools. 16 I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them. 17 But those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’ will be turned back in utter shame.

Israel Blind and Deaf

18 “Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see! 19 Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one in covenant with me, blind like the servant of the Lord? 20 You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen.” 21 It pleased the Lord for the sake of his righteousness to make his law great and glorious. 22 But this is a people plundered and looted, all of them trapped in pits or hidden away in prisons. They have become plunder, with no one to rescue them; they have been made loot, with no one to say, “Send them back.”

23 Which of you will listen to this or pay close attention in time to come? 24 Who handed Jacob over to become loot, and Israel to the plunderers? Was it not the Lord, against whom we have sinned? For they would not follow his ways; they did not obey his law. 25 So he poured out on them his burning anger, the violence of war. It enveloped them in flames, yet they did not understand; it consumed them, but they did not take it to heart.


This all points to Muhammad(saw). For more detailed information visit this link.

https://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2014/06/28/muhammad-pbuh-and-madinah-in-the-bible/
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Re: Muhammed is in the torah

Postby jimwalton » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:08 am

First of all, Isaiah is not the Torah. Isaiah in one of the prophets.

I think you are mistaken, and you have distorted the meaning of Isaiah 42.

> he will be God’s servant

This phrase doesn't identify much for us. The rest of the chapter is needed to help clarify. But it's certainly not specific to Muhammad.

> he will bring a new law

The text of Isaiah 42 says nothing about bringing a new law.

> he will bring light to the Gentiles

According to the Qur'an, Muhammed does not bring light to the Gentiles. Allah beings light to the Gentiles (Surah 2.257; 5.16), as does Muhammad (7.157); Isa (Surah 4.171-174; **5.46**) and Moses (Surah 6.97). Isaiah 42 doesn't necessarily or even specifically point to Muhammad.

> he will arise from the city of Madinah in Saudi Arabia,

Isaiah 42 doesn't say this. It says that the settlements of Kedar (a nomadic tribe that lived in northern Arabia between Edom (at the Dead Sea) and Babylonia (by the Euphrates). It doesn't say the coming one will arise from the city of Madinah in Saudi Arabia.

> he will be a warrior and crush the enemies of God, those who worship idols

Isaiah 42 doesn't say the servant of the Lord marches out like a warrior, but that the Lord (YHWH) does.

> These are a people that had not received any revelation before this.

These people had received plenty of revelation before this. Isaiah is not the first prophet.

> Moreover it has been shown that it is impossible for Isaiah 42 to refer to Jesus.

This has not been proven at all, nor have you offered any evidence. I will be glad to discuss this with you if you present your case.

I am convinced that your case for Muhammad as the servant of Isaiah 42 fails. Nothing in the text points specifically to him.


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