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[Left Looney]

So why did god intervene is barbaric middle east only 2 thousand years ago when humans had been raping, pillaging, and dieing of horrible diseases for what is scientifically proven for atleast 100k years modern day humans... was god just indifferent for 96.. 98k years... n then he cares.. oooh but you can rape but not eat meat

[jimwalton]

You have some misunderstandings that I'll comment to clear up, and I'd be glad to discuss them more.
> So why did god intervene is barbaric middle east only 2 thousand years ago

The story of Abraham comes from 4000 years ago. The story of Noah is from an unknown chronological time before that, and Adam & Eve were before there. God has been intervening for much longer than 2000 years.

The Middle East was no more barbaric than our world. If you take into account Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, ISIS, and Joseph Kony, among many others, we can readily see that our world is just as barbaric as theirs was.

> when humans had been raping, pillaging, and dieing of horrible diseases

It's a problem of humanity. We have in our world and era our own tragic share of sex trafficking, human enslavement, Covid-19, ISIS beheadings, and human rights abuses.

> was god just indifferent for 96.. 98k years... n then he cares..

There's no indication God was indifferent. I would guess you don't have any evidence of God's involvement or non-involvement, which makes a statement like yours without support.

> oooh but you can rape but not eat meat

The Bible never gives permission to rape, endorses rape, justifies rape, or excuses it. Nor does the Bible forbid the eating of meat. So I don't really know where this comment is coming from. Let's talk.

[Left Looney]

You dont have any evidence that a god did anything besides a 2000 yo old book that has been translated and retranslated over and over again... great claims require great evidence and if you can assert something with no evidence than it can be dismissed without any

[jimwalton]

> You dont have any evidence that a god did anything besides a 2000 yo old book

Sure we do. Israel appeared as a nation in the hill country of Canaan in the Mesha Inscription (c. 1200 BC). There are historical records and artifacts, as well as archaeological sites, corroborating what the Bible says about the Israelite monarchy, some of the prophets, the existence, movement, and actions of other nations, and some of the people listed in the Bible. There's plenty of evidence.

> 2000 yo old book that has been translated and retranslated over and over again

Translations make it available in other language groups. The translations don't mostly correct, they merely enlarge its potential readership. The fact that its been translated and retranslated are an indicator of its value, not to its unreliability.

> great claims require great evidence

Not so. Any claim requires authentic and reliable evidence, that's all. If Einstein claims that time is relative, and he shows us a very simple equation to that effect, the great claim becomes simply believable because the source is reliable. It doesn't take massive equations, but instead simply correct ones.

> if you can assert something with no evidence than it can be dismissed without any

There is plenty of evidence. That's why these things cannot be so simply dismissed.

[Left Looney]

Yeah and theres no proof any of that happened.... none

[jimwalton]

Sure there is. I already gave you a short paragraph of a small amount of what has been corroborated. In addition to that, there are logical and evidential arguments leading us to theism that are far stronger than the case against, and there are the evidences for the resurrection of Jesus. There are a few corroborations that Jesus was a miracle worker. There are certainly corroborations for the history of Israel. There are plenty of evidences for the reliability of the Bible. What are lacking are ANY proofs that the Bible is unreliable. There has never been a single document or artifact that has proven any of the Bible to be in error. If you think differently, then please post it and we can discuss it.