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[Alpha and Om]

> or a widespread apostasy by the Church (i.e., an aspect that was not protected).

"And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars." Revelation 2:2 NKJV

If this refers to Paul, what would be left of the church? James gave 4 commandments for the gentiles, (Abstain from 1.Pollutions of Idols 2.Fornication 3.Things strangled 4.Blood) under the impression that the rest would be taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath, not that they were all that should be taught. So then at age 19, raised Christian found things held against myself and with no fullness of understanding of the Law because of Paul's teaching in error and found a sacrifice necessary, what was I to offer, as an American Christian, 19 year old college student? A bull or a goat? I gave a son though many would deny it even happened.

> Can you describe your and your "brother/uncle" ministry?

It is a conquest against the Beasts, not a ministry as it were.

> When the Holy Spirit said of you, "He is here, he is right here?", what did He mean?

The people of that church I was in did not recognize me, but the holy spirit did.

[jimwalton]

> If this refers to Paul, what would be left of the church?

Right. It doesn't refer to Paul. Paul was particularly ordained by God (Acts 9.16; Rom. 1.1 et al.) and endorsed by the Twelve (Gal. 2.9) as a legitimate apostle. The false apostles are in 2 Cor. 11.5, 13; 2 Cor. 12.11. He refers to them in Acts 20.29, and Jesus refers to them in Mt. 7.15.

> Paul's teaching in error

Paul's teaching is not in error. Paul wrote by the revelation of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2.13-16 et al.).

> It is a conquest against the Beasts, not a ministry as it were.

Interesting, again. In Revelation 11, however, the work of the witnesses is not to conquer the Beasts, but rather to testify to the truth of God and the deity of Christ (11.4, 7). Then the beast comes up against them and kills them.

> The people of that church I was in did not recognize me, but the holy spirit did.

As one of the witnesses, or as sharing the nature of Jesus?

[Alpha and Om]

> Paul

I'm not going to debate. I told my beloved I would not engage in it anymore.

> Interesting, again. In Revelation 11, however, the work of the witnesses is not to conquer the Beasts, but rather to testify to the truth of God and the deity of Christ (11.4, 7). Then the beast comes up against them and kills them.

I am not one of the two witnesses.

> As one of the witnesses, or as sharing the nature of Jesus?

You know, they didn't really clarify what they meant. The only words were "He is here, he is right here", like they were happy I was in church, like they hadn't seen me for a while.

As blasphemous as some might consider it, I conceived a being untouched by original sin. During the conception of this being I recognized in myself an impulse, barely even subconscious, to live again as my wife's daughter, to escape mortality, and impose myself on the newly conceived, but during this vision of the soul being created, I recognized that as a fatal flaw in mankind responsible for the transmission of original sin, that my own father and his father before him had done, by forgiving them and releasing my desire to live again I overcame it. Who does that make me? I am loathe to lay claim to such things. I will place my buttocks on no throne until Jesus Christ himself grants it. While others may claim to be Jesus Christ the one who will come in the clouds, I claim only that I'm the one with the stephanos and bow. Some may see me as the antichrist because my faith in Jesus Christ is by necessity different than theirs, twisted as it were in a way, by the fact that I remember this conception. :\

[jimwalton]

I appreciate your honesty, openness, and vulnerability with me. I guess I have no other questions at this point. The discussion has been intriguing.